Speaker (FOHSE)

What’s up? What’s up ladies and gentlemen, we are back with another episode of Welcome to the future and this week we are on episode eight. On today’s episode, we have a cannabis legend with us. But before we get into his intro, I have to introduce my co host for today’s episode. He is our co-founder and our president, Mr. Ben Arnet is sitting in with us today, ladies and gentlemen, let’s clap it up a little bit. You know, I do my claps every episode. Well, we have a special guest. But without further ado, we have a cannabis legend. This guy is wise beyond his existence here on Earth, and I hope you guys will enjoy what you hear about this episode. But we have none other than John from Green Bodhi out of Oregon, sir, thank you for being with us. Nice. It’s a pleasure to have you with us, man.

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

It’s an honor, really.

Speaker (FOHSE)

How long have you been in Vegas? We got here yesterday. Got Okay. So let’s jump right into it. I had a fun night last night when I was with friends. Nice. Gotta kick it off the Vegas way. First day was pretty Vegas last night. People that come to visit us and they start going out the night before. And it goes downhill when they go up the night before on the first day. We don’t really see him until like Friday. So he is one of them. So the next day and before noon. So pretty.

 

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

I was out to like, I don’t know, I think we got back around 4am or so. So that was just you know, not we stayed up till five or six and then I woke up at night. He texted me he’s like, you know, I sent him some pictures from what we’re doing. 

Speaker (FOHSE)

Let me just show him a little bit of what we got going on. It’s been a wild time. Well, let’s hop right into it. Man. I know. Of course most people want to know about Green Bodhi. Where’d the name come from? Let’s start there. 

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

Ah, that’s an easy one, I guess. So I went to Peru to kind of seek out some information. I was told by an elder in the community that, you know, I’d find my first teacher there and all this kind of stuff. And you know, so I followed that intuition and went there and, you know, went to the first Amazonian shamanic conference in Iquitos. There, you know, had probably 50 shamans from all over the Amazon basin and, you know, a lot of famous ones and I met my teacher, my first teacher there at a time, we were just, you know, friends, whatever, but Armando Syed a Tupac what a gotcha is what he goes by. He’s kind of like crazy wisdom, not shaman, cactus guy realizing, you know, and implant wisdoms quantum physics, Buddhist philosophy to kind of, you know, bring our awareness level to our potential instead of, you know, limiting it by, you know, views or whatever position stagnant states of mind, so kind of trying to use the full package to eliminate those things, right. The path of poisons was one of his main teachings, really, which is basically the wisdom plants, you know, what they induce in our body physiologically, mentally esoterically all types of ways, really comes from a poison, like response, you know, so it’s our body reacting to, you know, whatever chemicals, whatever, and new gins are, and then there’s more to it that we can’t really see, you know, the esoteric part that we all experience feel understand. But the reality is, is most of us mask it with other things. So it’s kind of limited. And even if your diet, your health, your lifestyle, is an added maximum potential view for sure won’t be either, you know, so in that context, utilizing these sacred plants to kind of, delineate the ego, the pride aspects of mind. And recompute information that’s pure, organic, wholesome truth, not, you know, illusory, these types of perspectives that are based off of self gratification, say, you know, so really exposing our inner workings of our mind with the plants. That’s what spawned this green bowtie. But then you take it further, you have Bodie, you know, people like oh, what’s that mean? Enlightenment, awareness, whatever. Well, really, if you mean enlightenment to some degree, but if you take it further, in Tibetan, it’s Zhang Juppe. And Zhang is purification of all defilements and jute is omniscient of ultimate and relative reality simultaneously. So, you know, that’s the true expansiveness of what this enlightenment means really, you know, infinite altruism and unsurpassable wisdom combined in a really, you know, pure altruistically oriented bodhicitta mind state to where we can do something. Really what our potential is meant for. So, Green Bodhi. 

Speaker (FOHSE)

That’s how it came about. Okay, I’ll take that. That’s interesting. That’s a good backstory for that. Because I know a lot of people wonder like Bodie, green Bodhi, where to come from. So knowing that you started as a young adult, and when you got into your esoteric studies, how did that lead you to getting to Bodhi? So I know we got to Bodhi, but what was that process like, as a child as a young kid, experimenting, finding yourself that self discovery phase? What was that, like?

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

I was kind of a freak when I was a kid, you know, you know, ADHD, OCD, kind of, you know, kid that high energy, hard to contain. So, being half Korean half white moving every two years, father in the military, it’s like, you know, you, you realize how not a part of things you are, you know, you make friends, you leave, you make new friends, you leave, you know, bullies, bullies, bullies everywhere you go, you know, so then you’re like, I just want to be a part of something. But all in my mind the whole time really, like, you know, I wanted to do something special, I wanted to help the world. I wasn’t here to like, just take, you know, but, you know, in that earlier lifestyle, my dad in the military kind of had some Christian influence when I was younger. So, you know, from when I was in my mid teens, I wanted to be a youth pastor, wanted to kind of go that direction, had some really special experiences happen in that kind of setting, and got really judged by my church. And really, it was very, you know, plus, I was that kid that didn’t want to follow the rules, either, you know, I’m like, Oh, you’re not supposed to do these things. Oh, gotta go do you know, like, oh, where’s the rulebook? Okay, gotta break all these rules and figure out what you know. So it’s funny, even my friend is a high level Tonka painter, one of the greatest artists and really, like, you know, this current age, and I said, Oh, you know, Pam, I said, really? If there’s rules, you know, I kind of want to break them, you know, Oh, that makes you good Buddhists, bro. Well, because you know, that the Buddha said, you know, he’s like, oh, you know, he didn’t believe everything I say whatever. He’s like, Oh, don’t don’t believe what I say, actually investigate what I say just as a goldsmith test gold through rubbing, burning and cutting, test everything I’ve said with extreme scrutiny, and if it’s truthful, and works for you adopt it, if not discard it. So it’s like, you know, when you’re that massive investigation through logic, it’s really clutch, you know, so that my mind was really attracted to that style. And when I couldn’t find the answers through logic, and through that analytical deduction and critical thinking and things I could prove, truthfully. It just didn’t work, you know. So then taking that understanding, you know, because even in the Bible, you look at what Jesus is saying, it’s all altruism, you know, what’s the system’s done to show its expression is its thing, you know, but what Jesus was teaching was altruism, and even, you know, from non judgment, forgiveness, all these things. Oh, instead of focusing on the splinter in your brother’s eye, examine the plank in your own Oh, yeah, I’m like, Ah, you know, like, we forget that one. Yeah. Yeah. I’ve been around in front of my front door sweeper friend of yours. piling up? Yeah, no, good. So, so then, you know, I was really seeking the truth. So I was I was doing a lot of study and different kind of esoteric stuff, you know, hermetic stuff, kind of looking at what the, like, Mason studied what the different Mystery Schools are, you know, I was just like, fucking looking for something that I can do what these guys did, like, give me the path and the tools to be like this. Now I can’t do this, I’ll have faith. It’s all good shit, you know, I gotta have the tools so I can realize I’m flawed and where my flaws are, change them and become different. Because I realized, the reality is, that’s all we got. For this world, there’s nothing we can do more to change the evolution of humanity than stop the negative karma is both our mother and father that they weren’t able to conquer their ignorances and then put all the energy of their wisdoms to conquer those ignorances I mean, like, I don’t know other any other thing I can do for this planet than that thing, and then raise a child that’s like, going to do even 10 times better than what I did. That’s the goal, right? 

Speaker (FOHSE)

I mean, I mean, obviously looking at cannabis and growing a start it all starts with the sea, you know, so if you can start with one small little micro decision of improvement that leads to a better decision and slowly but surely everything around you you know changes will take me to my next question and understand your influence on those closest to you right going through this self of going through the process of self discovery relearning yourself removing ego How were you able to incorporate unity amongst your family and friends and also oneness with those that you do business with? 

Dude, I’m a freak, it’s really hard to know like I’m really hard to deal with. I’m really hard to work with. I’m really you know, my attention to details is quite high. So I’m noticing everything and that’s hard for people that are maybe not perfectionists just kind of use the flow now. So to utilize that for my own self, because really, what intentional horticulture is about is about cultivating this plant and the relationship of this plant. What you need to do to bring this to the potential then taking all that model and putting it to your life and every single thing you do

you know, intentional horticulture is really not about horticulture, it’s about creating more awareness in your mind through something that we’re really attached to. Right now we love this plant, we would do anything for this plant that will Oh my god, you know, the whole plant it’s like so like using that sweetness to kind of not say trick, but to transform.

Speaker (FOHSE)

So gotta get the sweet before the bitter. If you get a bitter first, you would never take it. You have to add a little bit of sweet.

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

Breast milk and salty and bitter bro. I didn’t know that. I was like, Oh, I tasted it once. And I was like, Wow, holy shit. It’s like a latte. No wonder, you know? And then like, still, like really? Like the reality is, that’s where you get that first, attraction, sweet, oxytocin love. Those are like your Trifecta as a survival. Nubian. And you know. So, you know, there’s something that’s beyond all this. And that’s what we’re trying to show here. You know.

Speaker (FOHSE)

So when you speak on intentional horticulture, right? What, what are the first three words that come to mind?

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

I mean, intention, altruism, wisdom. Those really are the three things that set it off. Because, you know, you have to have what you’re doing and why you’re doing it. You have to have the intention to bring fruit. Meaning you have to have the beginning, which doesn’t even start with an action that starts with a thought of wish, desire, you know, because the human realm is actually the desire realm. So we can desire for bad and desire for good. I mean, you see, like, when you look at you read all the texts, spiritual texts, you know, where’s this? Where’s this? Lucifer? Devlet? I haven’t seen a man. I just haven’t yet, you know. And when you read all the texts, you’re like, ah, the custom down to or you’re like, oh, and then when I look around, and you see who’s the bad guy? I mean, I haven’t seen no dolphin doing, like weirdo stuff, you know? Well, I mean, you know, but when you compare it to a human, you’re like, oh, that’s super tame. But, you know, so. Now, the reality is, is with the intentional horticulture aspect, and what it brings and what we’re trying to bring. It’s really what we all want. I mean, we all want to be a part of something good. And we all want to do what we think is best for reality, you know, most people, even bad people, they’re doing what they think is best for them in their surroundings. Like, even bad people. The reason they’re doing that shit, because they think they’re like, you know, save the fucking day, you know? And you’re like, Dude, you’re crazy. 

Speaker (FOHSE)

Everyone’s perspective, right? Like a cat’s a monster to a mouse. You know, everyone’s everyone’s a hero in their own story. So it’s like, understanding the why of what you’re doing. Kind of helps you work backwards. Like, every time I talk to John, you know, it’s not just about his cultivation or seed production, or he’s only looking at you know, what genetics he’s about to cross. He’s like, Yo, would you see the wells? Hey, we’re doing this. I’m going on this trip. We’re going to Peru to get you know, on a spiritual trip, and it’s like, it’s always about the wire. You know, we’re Hey, we’re over here at the monastery. We’re doing it. We just opened up this library. It’s always about why he actually puts so much more focus into everything else other than the business side. Like it’s hilarious. You look at the weeds well. I’m like, that’s like the bass. But, you know, he spends more time focused on the wells and like, you know, doing the spiritual trips, and then there was a library that you just opened up well.

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

We have a project, we’re working with Namgyal Monastery. And it says Holiness, the Dalai Lama has a Library Learning Center. So his only seat in North America is in Ithaca, or Duke or Choeling, which is Namgyel monastery’s only seat. And that’s where the Library Learning Center, it was only as the dialogue was going to be where they’re going to house, all the relics, all his teachings, it’ll be a great learning center with all the information so many great like, texts, you know, the whole Kanye tankier of, you know, all the Buddhist teachings and all the commentaries, like, very sacred, you know, lots of things, you know, very special, you know, so this project, my teacher, you know, dreamed of, and envision, and now it’s actually happening, you know, and it’s, you know, going to be quite a, quite a global thing. That’s huge. So it’s like, to just be even a part of it. I’m like, Whoa, dude. Some like me really do this in some past life, you know, because I didn’t do anything cool. This life is like that, you know, you did, though.

Speaker (FOHSE)

Your journey is very specific. I mean, the end result shows you, like Ben said, looking at the end result and then working backwards, you can see how your, why led you to where you are.

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

That’s where we get to when we go to the other two aspects of life, like, you know, altruism or bodhichitta. And wisdom, you know, so the reality is, how do we do this compassion thing? It’s flippin hard, you know, meaning, what is compassion? Oh, it’s the wish for another to be free of suffering. Right? So but then we have this frictional aspect so we have this intentional aspect. That’s like, aspirational. Now we have the functional aspect where it actually comes to fruition and most of our practices in this aspirational aspect, very hard to actually relieve others of suffering, you know? So how do we do that? When we really look at it, because, you know, you see how it is in the western society, people do one good thing and they’re like, yeah. I got this, you know, I got this, I even talked to my teacher, I was like, I feel so weird, but he’s all now did you have to, like, you have to show right now. Because what you’re doing is real and you show that inspires people whatever, because, you know, even my son, he memorized 37 practices of bodhisattvas, you know, which is, you know, quite expansive, you know, quite deep each verses four lines is very, you know, you know, very grand, you know, so anyway, memorized it and did it on video, and as long as monasteries, or senators or teachers, you know, is, you know, Josiah and everything. And, you know, he’s like, I’m like, he’s like, Oh, it’s so cool. All the Tibetans are hitting me up saying, Oh, wow, you know, like, well, he’s doing that as well. You know, because they’re very inspired by that thing. 

Speaker (FOHSE)

When he’s building awareness to the right, it’s not just one thing, you’re doing it because you’re able to maximize your reach, it’s like a megaphone for what you’re doing. And then Brett’s people are also doing similar stuff, or I’m interested in getting involved, they have immediate access to him. So it’s pretty cool. Because that’s what he preaches more than, you know, a lot of other stuff. 

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

It’s, well, I mean, that, and that’s where it really comes down to, it’s like, everything we do should be like this. You know, it’s not like, oh, yeah, the weeds like this, or whatever, you know, if everything we’re doing is in that potential, where we’re going to give our all so then, you know, what, are we trying to do this compassion thing? Well, then we have to be selfless, right? So then we have to deal with this. John, you know, guy, this thing that wants to be all special, take control, make everything real? Make everything you know, it like, you know, it’s like with any emotion, right has a lifespan of about 30 seconds. And then the brain starts recreating the story of why, what, where, when, how makes this whole trip happen? Right? And then you believe it. Then you get your friend around you to confirm it, and then another lady to confirm it again. And then next thing you know, you’re rocking this dream and everyone’s down. You know, your whole codependent families like, gotcha. And you get this. You’re right. You know, so we all go through that. So really, when we have this wisdom that realizes the selfless nature of things.

It can delineate that view and stagnant perspective, that’s going to make a story on something where it’s actually unnecessary. You know, they stay in a flow state mind with awareness of high level activity, your brain regenerates, like 10 fold or something like that. So if you can create neurogenesis just from being in flow state and doing high level activity, it’s like, shouldn’t we be doing that all the time? Right, like, we’re really just trying, you know, back to the plants of this, you know, whether it’d be lazy or not selfish and inducing flow state that it can bring to us you know, so when we bring. In all this intention to this carrier, wisdom plant, all these dry combs, the wax covered blessing pill of medicine, when it’s combined with all our intention of all these good hearted people growing it, everyone, you train everyone that this whole momentum comes through. Then it’s like, maybe that’s why, when people smoke, I don’t know what it is about your herb did I just fucking feel better? You know, I was like, meat, I hear you. You know, I feel good too, when I smoke it, and I’m hyped, you can see it and feel it.

Speaker (FOHSE)

It’s one quote that I want to mention not to cut you off just so I don’t miss this part because it really is really fitting actually two quotes on your site you listed: by developing deeper understanding and feeling awareness and motivation, our horticulture experience becomes more rich and meaningful. So that ties back to the first thing of self work. And looking inside, then the second one was intentional horticulture isn’t just about growing the best way to benefit others. It’s about the intention of growing yourself while growing the best way to benefit others too. So that just shows that it’s a dual journey, it has to happen simultaneously in order for them both to produce the result of what we get today. For sure. 

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

Like we have to, there has to be an experiencer to the action. Right and the actor to act it for them there to be the collective agreement that had happened, right. Like I can say whatever I think or won or did, but if nobody saw it, you know, I mean, but we can go back then to the oh, there’s a Tree Maker sound of it falling in the woods. Yes. If you’re contemplating that question as the squirrel that was living in the tree, you know, that was 40 years ago. We’re like quantum physics. Now, you know, nonlocality, like, it’s evolved, you know, and so that evolution happens through there not being a stagnation, there being an ability to evolve to flow to be impermanent, and and really be real with that by not. I have to think this way, I have to believe this way, I have to like, well, it’s got to be this way. No, maybe it doesn’t have to be anyway. Maybe you can be free in any way. And then you can really, like, be rocking, like, when you’re surfing. If you’re thinking of things, it’s obvious. But when you’re in a flow, and you’re gonna hit the lid, and you’re gonna, like, do whatever you’re like, it happens almost on its own, because you visualized, you’ve done it so many times. And then bam, it happens like Buck I can serve. 

Speaker (FOHSE)

Wow. It’s another one that I want to mention. That takes me to the second question. Well, the actual question you did, you said, brought in a methodology based in the integration of compassion and wisdom, with the high level of horticulture techniques and organic nutrients devoted to awakening your garden. So I would ask you, what has been your proudest moment of awakening one’s garden? What do you recall?

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

I don’t know, man, that the whole proud thing, it’s like, you know, that’s a weird thing. 

Speaker (FOHSE)

You know, what is the most reflective moment that causes you to go back and say, Man, I want to do that again, or, let’s let this experience be for somebody else, what would be that moment is bringing someone into the fold, and educating them and their life change.

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

It is really like the times that people have, you know, told me their kids have arm seizures anymore. Other people tell me they have brain tumors the size of ping pong balls, and within five weeks, the medicine we give them destroys it, and our doctors are like, blown away. And from those types of things, those are real things, you know, like, all the steps it took to, you know, be at the feet of His Holiness, like multiple times have, I haven’t named my son all, all these things. Like, it’s like, those moments you like, you know, when you get to see who you

are, and you know, who you were, you know, it’s like, you know, those kinds of things will bring the feelings and tears and all the real shit you know, that like, you know, that you only get from certain aspects in life you don’t get from beings from suffering, you know, you get from someone telling you. Oh, he’s fucking changed my life, you saved my life, you know? 

Speaker (FOHSE)

Because your pursuit becomes different of course, I mean, data that’s kind of look at that as data success stories, testimonials. Those are the things that kind of keep the gas in the car, you know, to let you know, your work isn’t in vain. Suffering from the discovery, you went through it. Let’s read all the hard work. 

Speaker (FOHSE)

You just went through all the times you might have been man, I’m like, What am I doing? Why am I doing this? 

Speaker (FOHSE)

That you may not have seen for a long time, like you knew it was a beneficial work, but you may not have seen the results instantaneously. So to see it long term and to know the work that you’ve done that’s a massive mission.

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

Yeah, well, I mean, this whole thing really I did this whole green voting thing to show that there’s still a steward in this cannabis community. Straight, that there’s still someone down to like, not take money over their integrity, like, to the fucking death, you know? Because I don’t see it anywhere else. You know? That’s just my perspective. I see a lot of people chasing dollars chasing whatever ego dream they want. And I don’t see them chasing altruism. I don’t see them chasing this plant’s potential to spread that mass internationally. I don’t see it man. I don’t see people selling organics as the way and we all know it’s the way because when you go to the store you’re not like hey, do can I get that one apple that sprayed with that one wax and that other you know Michael butanol or whatever the you know, and can I get that one? You know, like, where’s the eagle? 20 out? Yo, I want the eagle 20 Broccoli, bro. I want the broccoli grown with this blue salt and this book and pink salt in Miracle Grow. You know? Let’s make some Smurf pit cocktails. And like, I want to eat that shit. Yeah. You know, so like, no offense, everything that I’ve given my plants I don’t have I’m not scared of getting into my mouth even though it’s like, you know, tasty, organic things right? But I’m still not scared of getting it in my mouth versus like, you know, I get some of that like, smirk blood in my mouth. I’m like, you know, hazmat you know, you’re like, who is like, stuffs getting weird, you know? So, we got to think of, you know, dependent origination really, we got to think of causal nature, we got to think of all the links of conditions of here to here. And is some money intended, mids grown, salt grown all for? Whatever yield money profit, they’re gonna make you feel heavy. I mean, it wasn’t accepted in Eugene, ever, never,

you know, not not for like, decades, you know, not from when, in the late 90s, you know, to early 80s to early 2000 to now. Now it’s like, oh, but still if you look what’s respected there, there’s organics why we have that’s what there is there. That’s what the community is based on. That’s what the farms are based on. That’s what we understand the survival of our planet is based on and everyone talks about this green this that and the other while they like, oh, yeah, more salt. Dude, more of the rock wall. Yeah, bro would pump it dude, however many grams per square foot crushing, you know, it’s like, Wow, dude, you don’t care about the environment, huh?

You couldn’t care about it that I mean? Give me the logic where you care? Right? Or let me see it. And if it’s okay, if it’s all for money, right? That’s sick business, whatever, that’s your prerogative. No problem. But don’t pretend it’s for the plant and for the people and for the planet and for any other reason than you’re like Lamborghini or whatever, you know. Yeah, it’s just like, why not just be real and then it’s cool, right? That’s cool, right? We’re gonna fucking sports car don’t matter is fucking sick. You know, because they’re fat, they’re fine. It’s like no problem.

Speaker (FOHSE)

With the way the world means everything’s going up. And the only thing that’s not as it relates to growth, as you got, obviously, your inputs. And if salts are going up, 3040 60% your cost per pound is gonna go up immensely, while the guy who’s grown organically now can have his soil there for years, many and tending it, right. And his cost per pound is literally just going down every year, because he doesn’t have to buy any new medium. So I mean, there’s so many benefits to doing it right? If you can do it, right. But there’s just so few that know how to do it, right? I mean, it’s like it. I mean, literally, I don’t know if I can count on one hand, how many are absolutely crushing, especially at a large scale. It’s extremely hard. 

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

Well, to have a simple SOP that’s organic, takes a lot of time to have developed. And you have to have an understanding of your nutrient supply chains and all those kinds of things, which we’re discovering now with kind of the complex globally and stuff when they’re like Oh 70% of calcium. Nitrate comes out of Ukraine and Russia. 70% ammonium nitrate, potassium nitrate, these kinds of things that most of these people don’t want to talk about is like, hey, no, that’s what all these salt nutrients are made it right. Or they blend different pharmaceutical salts that all come from, you know, it’s cool, but there’s going to be huge supply issues when we reuse our soils for years. You know, like even in containers, just keep rebooting it. No big deal. Worms like going crazy. And when you think about what we’re trying to mimic. If you just mimic your gut, you know, the flora or fauna on your gut, the enzymes in your gut. And when you look at that internal mirror of like, how soil works, how things work? That all works the same really, you know? So there’s no magic to it. You just got to know how things work. You just got to know. 

Speaker (FOHSE)

Well, let me ask you this. How would you say that organics has changed the cannabis industry? As far as cultivating quality flour? How would you say that it’s impacted the industry?

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

Dude, man, it’s, it’s hard. It started the industry. So how it impacted it essentially started. Well, it started and then everyone’s like, I got money, but the only reason I got money is if you can show me this profit margin that works for all these guys that don’t know anything about cannabis. You know? Got you want to make them all your money and sell out to these guys. Dude, yeah, look at how cool you’ll be. When that went, instead of being like, Hey, dude, let’s do this for the people. You know, let’s do this for the planet. This, like show humans can steward something actually instead of spoiling it? Making it worse? I mean, touch it and leave it were the masters at being a parasite on Oregon. Leave it worse than how it was when you found it. I just don’t see anything more dirty than a human, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And it’s sad, you know, because we’re supposed to be the smart ones here. Right? 

Speaker (FOHSE)

I should be. Have you been able to educate people on organics? What has been one of your focuses is explaining the importance and value and since it started the industry getting back to that.

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

Returning to that it’s been really difficult because people don’t see enough profit. And they’re like, Well, if it takes more to trim your herb even to process the herb to, you know, the nutrients or more, but they don’t see the other factors in it. They just see all this costs this much. And it costs if you get this much, then this doesn’t work. You’re like, but what about all this stuff over here, you know, that we like to change the world and do other stuff, show an example like lead the way be the lie, all that stuff? That’s just like, that doesn’t matter. Oh, oh, well, I mean, for me, I gotta be with people that matter, you know, because otherwise, I’ll be like, sad, sadly judging them. Sure. And judging myself and then being like, Am I Am I that, right? These people aren’t seeing the potential and how we can evolve together? And how we can do this together.

So, you know, now it’s like, it’s a really slim crew now that all wants to put humanity over profit? 

Speaker (FOHSE)

Well, I think you said it best Leo, you were like, you know, we’re, when do you start having the mindset of let’s leave this place in better condition than we got it. And it starts with obviously, all the big companies and people in general, whatever but, you know, if you can start putting his mindset like John, where every day, he’s obviously running his business green bowtie, but he’s doing everything in green bowtie to push the wells, the library in like, 10 of the things that he does humanitarian wise. So it’s like, you know, and it starts with the why or what do you want to fix? You’re not gonna be able to fix everything. So pick it? Do you want to do ocean conservation? Do you want to do you know, feeding the hungry, the veterans, I mean, pick, pick a handful, pick three. And then, you know, again, work backwards on the why, and then start figuring how you can get involved, whether it be capital or your time or resources, education, knowledge, there’s a ton of ways you can actually be supportive to any of those causes you like, rather than just going and liking some page on Instagram and sharing like, well did my good deed for the day, share the page? That’s that project. So you know, ocean, you’re like, Nope, you didn’t save any turtles get involved. That’s beyond just a fucking like, or a clique. 

Speaker (FOHSE)

I feel like that’s tied to though, like, the journey of self though. Because when you start working on yourself, you find room for improvement with everything else, instead of leaving it as it is. It’s like not judging you or telling you you can be better because I’m better. Like, you know what I’m really working on myself, maybe, maybe we can work on it together because you start seeing room for improvement for everybody. It makes you more gracious, and makes you more 

understanding and aware that you spoke of earlier. You learn to consider other people too. So instead of judging you consider but as you create things to benefit people you think of them when you’re creating things, you’re thinking of their health, you’re thinking of their wellness, you’re thinking of their conscience so it all starts like you said you can make the world a better place or you can make it better than how you found it. 

Speaker (FOHSE)

But you have to start well like John said there’s so few actually doing it but there are guys out there trying to do it. You know whether it be whatever you like you said ocean conservation. Last prisoner project, Steve DeAngelo. That’s assuming they do the right guy like he sets the bar really he did such a good job on that. 

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

He’s such a nice guy too. I don’t give a shit what anyone says about I mean, you

is like the kindest guy, so please, like, devoted his life to herbs in a way that all of us could wish we could do and really, like, put your ass on the line like that, like writer night of the match. Like it’s like he’s all not not all prison, feds, IRS, you know, whatever, like takes money to do the work. 

Speaker (FOHSE)

But I mean, you can’t do it alone. But you can use guys like that, though. I mean, reach out to the last person or project, reach out to the weed forwarders or, you know, wells for dharma there’s, there’s a lot of ways to get involved beyond just a couple of likes. And for sure, everyone, I mean, you go ask people, if they need help with their project or their organization, they’re not going to turn you away. So there’s something you can probably do. 

Speaker (FOHSE)

I mean, you’ve even been very instrumental in legislation back in Oregon, from the state to from the local laws to state to federal and how they vary on but what motivated you to be so vocal back home, obviously, being a young kid starting to cannabis and psychedelics, you saw the limits as a child and then getting older as an adult.

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

Well, I mean, I was told, I was told about 20 years ago that cannabis was gonna go legal and start branding and get it together from someone that was, you know, had the information. So I started doing that. And so really helping the state was something I was doing a lot of work in California and had some, you know, people tried to scout me to do some projects, Michael Bacchus for Montel Williams, they wanted me to do that project with them working with their doctor, a chemist, and even when he said, he’s like, I’m like, Dude, why do you want someone like me, bro? I don’t know. He’s, he’s our brother, we got our doctor chemist, and we got you and we put that together that was gonna make something cool. I said, Okay, science, intuition combo. You know, whatever, you know. So then I was like, on and a lot of stuff in California started happening and whatever. And I’m like, I think I need help from my state, you know, I need any help at home. And I think that’ll help with some branding aspects. And I’ll just do it as much time and whatever for free and just do what I can to help and really, like, do what I can, and really stand strong for the people and for the plant. And even on the last rules advisory committee for the you know, rec, you know, labeling, testing limits and stuff like that. I was the main grower advisor for the state, you know, so, you know, I was basically debating with Shannon O’Fallon, the head attorney for Department of Justice on her so the head of Oregon Health Authority, Jessie sweet, who was heading OCC at the time for the thing, you know, debating in them why we needed certain laws, certain rules, certain freedoms, so we can do what we needed to do, you know, and pushing strong for things like unlimited plant count was one of the things that I got, like, you know, was had a lot of responsibility for so I was kind of slacked on that 100 plant, federal prosecution limit to like, unlimited plant count. So like, I was kind of like, you know, did certain things like that. I worked with Senator Flippers and scale is kind of one of his confidence in the industry and kind of helped him understand what’s happening from a grassroots level. And, you know, he utilized me to testify for him for the state a couple times, and get some bills, you know, veered that way. Because I was a pretty big voice, and I was basically opposing a foundation that I had helped found. So it was very interesting. You know, how they work, they work it. I come out of the back room, I’m like, oh, everyone I know is here. And you guys are on the stand. Okay, I guess I’ll get on the stand and tell him my point of view, which is generally, for more freedoms for the people and for less control, less taxes, less law, less all that stuff. Because I’m kind of like that, I don’t like that kind of stuff. And especially with something like a plant. 

Speaker (FOHSE)

It speaks to the rebel and you earlier when you were like, Okay, these are all the rules, okay, I’m going to do everything but that. So it’s almost kind of cool to see the adult you take that and spin it into activism and representation for people that may not have the means or the opportunity to to go and be a voice for the people. That’s incredible.

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

It was really fun, too, because I’d go there, you know, he’s pretty big meetings, you know, they’re all filmed and like, all the communities there because they have their 30 minutes to the end where you know, state, like, let’s hear the public and public comments. Well, you know, you’re like, oh, Quito, get a few people that come every time there’s a media like. Yeah. So it’s like, these meetings were like big ones, you know, because they had like, you know, the head of pharmacology that you know, like, all these kind of things. I go like, you know, I roll a big fat joint like rosin all up in it, smoke it all the way there. You know, like, Rosa thing and they’re coming like, like smoke off me, I’ll sit right next to like shadow balance like a DOJ attorney.

Just to like, you know, just cuz like, you know, I was you know, I was kind of a pain in the ass in school and stuff and that way to sleep and I’ll come up here and do this wrong oh you’re like, Whoa did you get them right or no? Yeah, I mean like, you know as the pretty easy real school is kind of college school it’s not meant for it’s you know like His Holiness the Dalai Lama puts his like very funny you know he’s Oh, the difference of a Buddhist doctorate you know, they call it a get a letter in PA which usually takes 30 to 40 years of really high level study, memorization memorizing like multi 100 Plus page text, you know, like, he’s always like comparing if you compare that to a Western doctorate, it’d be like comparing kindergartener to a college graduates, you know, he’s like, the amount of, you know, because you can be like, Okay, what, this text verse, you know, 212 What is it and I’ll be like, a little spit it off, you know, you know, like, my, my teacher memorize college, I got a Tundra, which is, you know, 300 pages. So whatever recited in front of the council, and then go monastery in under two hours without missing one syllable, you know, and it’s not like, it’s like, low stress, you know, it’s like,

like, all the dudes running into, like, for the Dalai Lama, you know, all sitting there, you make them all tea, offer them tea, but the big Tex downs, like, it’s like a brick, like this big, you know, well wrapped up. And then you sit there and just go for it, you know, and it’s like, fucking magic, bro. You know, his teacher was the hundreds, Ganden Tripa and who was in Tibetan history, one of like, the greatest masters and they say, you know, he stayed in this dome practice where it’s after death meditation, which was, you know, stayed for three weeks with out any brain activity, blood pressure, or heartbeat, but heart stays hot, like you put a rock in the sun. And they had Emory University mind life Association, under the request of the Dalai Lama, come hook them up and track it all on the 19th day after being flatlined, huge spikes in brain activity, you know, so this is like, track scientifically, you know, so, this is the kind of, you know, level these guys are at, and, you know, this great Master loves on nema. He, you know, my teacher was, you know, feeling quite, quite proud, you know, one day you memorize the whole pages, here’s 12, verses 48 lines, you know, he was like, oh, remember said, I memorize this whole page, he still didn’t praise him at all, nothing, you know, and but then, so when he was writing, you know, like, 3040 years later, you know, or 30 years later writing the biography, you know, for the his teacher as he’s dying. And, you know, he’s, he’s all of this one retreat, I went to retreat for two weeks, I was so happy, you know, I memorize these two text, you know, and then in western textbook, it would be like 230 40 pages, you know, he memorized it two weeks, you know? So this is the kind of mental capacity these guys read, you know, it’s like a different, you know, so, you know, when you get back to what it means to have a virtuous mind, the qualities show.

Speaker (FOHSE)

And also shows I was thinking I meant to say this earlier, when you were talking about organics and, and you’ve been able to consume, obviously, it’s not favorable, or what you prefer, but you’re still able to digest it. It made me think of what comes in pure comes out pure, you know, if you start with the foundation of what you consume is purity. And if things have good and things of positivity, you naturally have the inclination to return that back, because that’s what comes out of you. Sick, obviously, she comes out regardless, but, you know, but if we’re speaking from a hypothetical point, you know, if you read positivity, you’ll start getting positivity, because that’s what you’re consuming. So you become your consumption, for sure how time is to focus. Right, so let’s, let’s get a little bit ahead here. Where did the combination of Fohse and Green Bodhi, you know, your mission to improve the lives of others and the lives of plants, our mission to improve the lives of cultivators and their business in their facilities? How did this relationship come about? 

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

Oh, that’s an interesting topic. Basically, you know, I was working with another lighting company, and I’d heard windows that you know, I’m saying okay, you know, we actually met in Vegas I heard when I heard winter that you know, so then and then we met at a at a friend’s spot met Ben and really like hit it off by bus. And then there were some things going on on Instagram and you know, and concerning a certain troll, and, you know, I don’t like that. I don’t like bullies, you know, so I was like, all my whole life I’ve dealt with bullies. So When I was, you know, my late teens and early 20s, like, whenever there was a bully with any of the crew, I was like, I was scrapping. Oh, you’re gonna be? Well, this guy is not that guy. But I’m that guy. Realizing I was like, Oh, I’m kind of being a bully, you know, because those big bully guys that are a lot of talk, that’s about all they are. And at a certain point, you realize that it doesn’t feel fair anymore. So change your way, shrink very quickly, when when the scores are real, there’s like, you know, things get different. So anyway, that being said, this person, you know, was deciding to talk a lot of nonsense and just, you know, you take hearsay, hearsay and hearsay, and make your perspective of the hearsay and then you make a story, pretending it’s truth on hearsay, and you have no idea of any of it. So, you know, I saw that pretty quickly. So I’m kind of like, I like to

I like to instigate because we’ll just use logic and then we’ll just and that’s kind of what’s bird this show me your jar stuff, you know. So this guy poetry Nelson, you know, he, like, you know, we’re commenting on each other and talking to us and the other I said, dude, all you gotta do is bring a jar of your weed to the party of your space nerd grown, you know, salt pellet, Herb. And we’ll bring some herbs grown with nature. You know, nature. And we’ll have everyone there at the party. See what’s up, you know? So then MJBizCon comes around Vegas, and just so happens, we’re all at the same party together. And a lot of popular people have very popular parties. So you know, Hey, what’s up, bro? Hey, yeah, yeah. Okay, here we go. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, bust out all the jars. Me and my partner start rolling joints up hash joints, hash joints as joins. Everyone’s like, you know, no one no one’s pulling out the weed. Everyone’s like, Oh, would you do this? This organic? Yeah, bro. You can do this at scale. I mean, it’s pretty easy, you know.

Speaker (FOHSE)

All beef with smash that we can, like truly on like, all good vibes moving forward. Like everyone was just like, Okay, that was silly. Ya know?

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

And that’s where that’s literally where the show me your jar thing came from? Show me your job. Yeah. And so that’s why it really in the end, it’s like all this all man. Have you seen these test scores? Have you seen this? That and the other? Let me see the jar. Well, here’s some gummies like, what? Dude, I’m not 60 I don’t need gummies I smoke weed. You know, like, I smoke joints. You know, like, I smoke cash. I smoke weed. Because why? Well, because someone’s got to show you how it’s done. It seems like what do we do? Just give it here. Let me roll it. It’s like no, it’s so like need to be there. Dude, I’m a control freak because I think my mom you know, even like, it’s so crazy. I was that, you know, like, my mom. She’s Korean. And she’s a freak, you know, mega, mega mega they have this tiger mom terminology. You know, you know, they chase you around the house beating you with everything as you are not perfect and whatever. You know, I don’t know what the vibe is. That’s not my vibe as you know, so that kind of even the other day we’re there. I made a bunch of kimchi, you know? And she’s like, let me see how bad it is. You know? It’s like my son’s like, looks at me like I was like, told you you know to talk shit next time she comes. She brings jars like this big. It came to you, you know which I’m hired for because your kimchi is the best right? It is the best. I’d rather be hers than mine. But she’s like oh, I brought some jars for you and so we don’t have my mom. It was like a tough crowd in my house. You know? That is hilarious. So anyway, I was like by you know, meaning you know like, I think when I got that Forbes article my dad’s like Oh, I’m proud of you I was just an article but I’m sick. Yeah, no, no bad happened because you know it’s like that was an easy thing for everyone you know. So after that whole thing with the show, I wanted to see what was up with the lights because the vibes were sick, the people were sick. Oh, everyone I met at the company was tough. And when I looked at the light. 

Speaker (FOHSE)

Speaking up, we are sitting under One of our models, the A three I just in case, they’re going to zoom in on this for a few seconds, so you can get into it. But this is the model we are currently sitting under, as he’s referencing one of our fixtures. Yeah. 

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

Which is basically the most badass fixture, I think there is one that exists really, because we’ve used a lot of the fixtures and this one, just, there’s no ceiling on what it can do. And meaning the only thing that’s going to limit you is you, and your ability to read the plant and your ability to understand what’s happening. 

Speaker (FOHSE)

You know, again, what percentage do you actually keep your light? 

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

So this is a key question, oh, I start at the lowest. And I work my way up never to the highest. 

Speaker (FOHSE)

And we were talking about this yesterday, John and I were and there’s like two types of growers at a commercial level. And they can switch equipment, they can do whatever very easily, or they can’t. And because you guys only look at the metrics of their environmental controls, like, it’s gotta be 78. The EC is 2.0. And they just do this for every plant every genetic, you know, whatever it may be, but they don’t understand it’s got to be looking at the plant, right we have, we have all this cool equipment for the plant, and John will sit there does matter what lights or equipment is running, I’ll just go Yup, lights need to be turned down, we need to increase the feeding, you got to change the top dressing. And he’ll know exactly what to do just by looking at the plant. Some guys look at the rooms, some guys look at the plants, guys that look at their plants and know how to actually move and adapt to their plants go oh, this thing can take more light. And then it can take more water to stay. And they just keep feeding and pushing appropriately. And they can actually see the growth that’s happening. Those guys are the guys that can crush anywhere everywhere on the planet. And the other guys are gonna struggle on this. They’ve got their strain and their equipment, they’re hindered to that HPs setup or that you know, whatever it may be. So it’s hard for a lot of people to replicate. You know, that same thing over and over again, or be able to read the plant, read the planter, read the room. Make sure you hire a grower that knows how to read the plant.

Speaker (FOHSE)

Being able to do both, I’m sure it’s important. But as we go back to what we said, having a relationship and being one with the plant is the most important because it’s almost like your duty to take care of the plant. And if you’re not doing what you’re supposed to be only knowing the room, you’re actually not catering to the plant and not giving it what is yeah.

 

Speaker (FOHSE)

He’s in his room with the plant people. You just let the plant try to dial itself into the room that they’ve set up. And then the plant is trying to fight through all the stressors and you’re like it’s, you know, yellow to the plant and it burned all the way through the fucking stems and you’re like, this thing is not happy. You’re like, you should change some stuff. It’s gonna it’s gonna it’s gonna it’s gonna crash because we always do this. Wait till week six or seven, like this thing, that problem you always do this. That’s what we’re trying to get away from? 

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

Well, there’s no such thing as it’s like, like with anything. I mean, it’s not like you give a baby a steak. You know, here eating the steak, you know, you’re like, dude, like, doesn’t need much, right? Don’t need the sun, Tony much, you know, just need love. So it’s like, hey, guess what, everything’s a fucking same. Everything just needs love. What’s love? What’s the wish for something to be happy? You know, not like happy like, happy, sad, happy, like happy, like, enlightened, happy is what they mean. But it’s like, that’s like real love. You know? When you know, you can tell if you have kids or whatever, doll you know, what’s your feeling? For what you want for that being? You know? You’re like, oh, man, I had a lot of patience. You know? Really what this dude, hey,  you can be whatever, do whatever, say whatever. I can cue.

Speaker (FOHSE)

A hug you’re like, you know, you’re always just catering to him just like the plants are like, right? You’re looking at things and you’re like, I love this thing. And it looks like it really needs energy. Like, you’d mean, again, you can just look at it. And he knows exactly what he’s got to do. Like, well, it takes a lot of guys that you can handle light. Like we gave him a piece of equipment and right don’t try it out. He’s like, I got it. So sad. He’s like, don’t think he just calls me out. He’s literally crushed. Like, die. 

 

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

Yeah, he was like that was that’s the thing is it’s like, for me, my ideology. I’m just trying to see what’s outside. And it’s similarities, you know, and it’s conditional nature that I can replicate, you know, so it’s like, that’s the beauty of like the three phases of the even the spectrums, you know, you can switch things up and do certain aspects of spectrum alteration to match you know, a cloudy day, a sunny day, midsummer day. Nice low light fall day, like if you’re not doing that kind of stuff. Are you really crop steering crops theory? Graph theory is a funny word as we’ve been doing it for like since we’ve been growing weed because, I mean, I thought that’s what you do. You’re manipulating. Leaving a plant indoors to do something it can’t do outdoors, actually. But you’re using all the conditions from the outdoors. And then you’re using all the conditions from the indoors to make some special product. I mean, you know, yeah. 

Speaker (FOHSE)

So before we get away, I have two more points. Well, two more points that I wanted to touch on. So let’s talk, talk on the phone and collaborate with what we have going on here? Let’s give them some insight, what do we have? 

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

I think that’s all in the works. Right now, really, there’s a lot of big future and a lot of really cool things. Really, the most pressing thing that we’re on together is this NGO project with a wealth of Dharma thing, and it’s, you know, really moving forward. Well, it seems like that’s a really, you know, epic way to start something really big besides the lightning relationships, and what we’ve been doing with them with that, and with you guys with that, really, it’s is my idea with this is I really just want to show that we can take the best equipment, and the best practices, and make something special together, that can really show what you can do. That’s undeniable. And we’re still waiting for someone to bring the jars like that you see, the jars will, will destroy these jars. And we just just haven’t seen it yet. And we want it because we want to hang with those people and smoke their weed and roll hash joints. So there we’d because they’re probably gonna be sick, cool people. You know, like doing the lifestyle thing. And the way we all like to see it meaning helping, you know, yeah. So you know.

Speaker (FOHSE)

It’s a great goal. So I mean, before we exit out of here, I mean, I know, I would love to hear from you, Ben. I know, we all work as a collective, you know, with helping and pushing the mission forward. But what do you see for the future? organics? What do you see for the future of psychedelics and the road of improved self improvement? 

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

Well, like what I say with everything, this spiritual path, you know, as we call it, meaning the path of realism of humanity, you know, I think Moore’s the thing. Really, the hardest part of it is going to be the self honesty, being aware of ourself in the picture. So utilizing these plans to get us to expose our self, to our mind, and our subtle mind, and our awareness, you know, the, we all notice this thing that can watch us acting like a fool, right? I mean, we all see it, right? Like, so. What’s that thing? You know, why not be in that thing, instead of that thing acting like a fool, that the thing that can see doing? So, really, they get in tune with that, like I said, you know, like, from my own experience, until you realize you’re low. You know, like my teacher said, he gave me this brief instruction. pith instruction means something that you can utilize in all aspects of your life, whatever, you know, I was feeling kind of down, you know, some business things were, you know, as being kind of taken advantage over screwed over, in some ways, he’s all you know, is that when you’re feeling low, just focus on people lower than, you know, when you’re feeling high focus on people higher than you. You know, you focus on someone like the Dalai Lama or something like, you know, really hard to feel cool, you know, really hard, you know, and you focus on some of the people that were helping in India even, it’s really hard to feel like you’re without a lot of reason. 

Speaker (FOHSE)

What about you, Ben, what do you see? I mean, now, from your perspective, I know, it’s interesting, because you have led cultivation, obviously, all that we do in house, and then you have the organics you have green Bodie, we have can’t Well, what do you see for the future of all of us? Being able to positively impact the market, the industry with quality products, quality practices, philosophies? What do you see? 

Speaker (FOHSE)

Yeah, I mean, I think John kind of alluded to it, too, we’re kind of hammered out how we can kind of bring this message and mission to the masses a lot, a lot more than we have done. So. Thus far. One being, how do we bring John into like, you know, our Hort team and, you know, really kind of help on anyone and everyone who’s got an organic living grow using voce or, you know, not using photos, how do we help you maximize your cultivation? And obviously, we know, John’s got, I mean, how many decades of practice and you know, it’s, it’s, it’s time to kind of expand on what you can do for the horticultural side of the first team. As well as obviously the wills for dharma. And then there’s just there’s just so much more common, but, you know, we’re, we’re still working on a lot of fun, fun, other projects on the side. So a lot of stuff on the east coast. It’s gonna be a lot of fun. 

Speaker (FOHSE)

So well, we look forward to having you back again. I know with you in the future, being a part of our horticultural team. I would love to do some more features and love to, you know, document your education and share that philosophy because I think it is very, very important. And I think that The time of where we are in the world now is self discovery, self improvement and self. Self preservation and improvement are both key because you’re supposed to preserve the good parts of you. We’re just also supposed to keep improving. So you’re never the same, you know? So I would love to have you back and document some of that. And for sure, sit down with you. I would love to be with us. We’ve Got about three more episodes. At least for now, ladies and gentlemen, I hope that something he said today has challenged you to think better, to think differently and to think positively towards the future and how you can impact it to make it better than how it was before you got here. So Mr. Bodhi, thank you for your influence. Thank you for the wisdom you share with us today and catch the podcast every Friday. I know we’ve been off for a couple of weeks. 

Speaker (Green Bodhi)

Green Bodhi, Bodhi genetics and the real Green Bodhi on an IG and then Green Bodhi on pretty much every other thing Twitter, whatever, you know, come get in the DMS. Let’s wrap out about whatever. 

Speaker (FOHSE)

And for those that want to learn more about his practices and his philosophies online, go to Greenbodhi.org. That is Greenbodhi.org. All right, ladies and gentlemen. It’s been real. We’ve had fun and I hope you enjoyed this episode by the time it reaches your ears and your eyes. In the meantime, we look forward to seeing you next week and welcome to the future. Appreciate it.